bad_* tags

I mentioned almost a week ago in forum #408, the many bad_* tags that exist. Most of them are for anatomically-related things but I want to actually bring the subject up of how many of them are actually necessary, because I feel like there's too many as it is and I don't really want to see a new tag made for every single error a tool/program spits out.

As it stands, this is all of them; bad anatomy, bad arm, bad ass, bad breasts, bad ear, bad eyebrows, bad face, bad feet, bad hair, bad hands, bad head, bad leg, bad lip, bad mouth, bad neck, bad reflection, bad shadow, bad teeth, and bad toes.

Looking at the above, can it really be said that every single one of these is really needed? I'm not going to argue that the bad arm, bad feet, and bad hands tags aren't needed, but the others seem excessive to me.

Additionally, a lot of the above are tagged with either bad anatomy or error (and both for some others), so I think that something needs to be decided to make things more consistent.

bad reflection is separate and I'm fine with keeping it. The issue I've noticed is people will apply these tags to any minor mistake. How can hair be bad? Or an ear? You would never see people tagging these on any other booru.

I agree and it's something I have a problem with. My picks to get rid of would be bad ass, bad breasts, bad ear, bad eyebrows, bad face, bad hair, bad head, bad lip, bad mouth, bad neck, bad teeth, and bad toes.

I don't have an opinion on bad reflection though.

Own thoughts:

bad face is too broad, and people use it on completely different things, such as when the eyes are bad/messed up.

bad eyebrows is the weirdest one out of these. As for the current 2 posts it has, I don't even really see anything wrong with them. Feels like a subjective tag (and if all of these would be kept, I would see bad_face evolving to be very subjective as well, as it already seems some of those posts might just be opinion-based already).

As for bad hands I have an extra question: Should there be some implications between this tag & missing finger, extra finger & wrong hand? They are technically just more specified versions of bad_hands.

Lyren said:

bad face is too broad, and people use it on completely different things, such as when the eyes are bad/messed up.

So that effectively makes it a copy of one of the existing tags which is useless already, it seems. Doubly useless.

Lyren said:

As for bad hands I have an extra question: Should there be some implications between this tag & missing finger, extra finger & wrong hand? They are technically just more specified versions of bad_hands.

I'd be in favor of an implication for all three. They're related. Edit: Wait, on the missing finger/extra finger tags... we're not accounting for any character(s) that are supposed to be like that.

BUR #44 has been approved by @user_2.

nuke bad_eyebrows
deprecate bad_eyebrows
nuke bad_face
deprecate bad_face
nuke bad_teeth
deprecate bad_teeth
nuke bad_ear
deprecate bad_ear
nuke bad_hair
deprecate bad_hair
nuke bad_lip
deprecate bad_lip
nuke bad_neck
deprecate bad_neck

To me, these are the most blatantly useless of the whole group.

Worth keeping those that are not related to the body or those that appear often, everything else should be nuked or aliased to error.

I'd also be in favor of implicating the remaining anatomy related ones to bad anatomy.

I don't really like the idea of tagging a minor hand or foot issue as bad anatomy.

So far, I have yet to see any value in most of these tags.

What I would really like is for someone to explain to me why most of these tags should exist, because I'm not understanding why every specific error needs its own tag when error already exists. I looked through the posts in them and while some do seem to meet the tags' purpose, some don't even make sense (What exactly is "bad eyebrows" about post #8163? What is "bad eyes" about post #7474?)

If they are going to exist, they need a clear, definable purpose. The error being tagged should be clear to see and obvious and not based off of an opinion of whether something "maybe looks off", in my opinion.

If anyone wants to propose a better idea, I'm more than happy to listen because I've said what I'm gonna say about it.

The purpose I can see is for approvers to immediately see "this post is tagged with (for example bad hair), I look at the hair - oh, it is indeed kinda iffy, I don't really like this picture" and it hastens the approvement process.

As for search purposes, I agree they are kinda redundant since what people would blacklist, would be covered by error alone. I don't think anyone who wants to blacklist such things would exclusively blacklist something such as "bad lip", but all errors altogether.

Lyren said:

The purpose I can see is for approvers to immediately see "this post is tagged with (for example bad hair), I look at the hair - oh, it is indeed kinda iffy, I don't really like this picture" and it hastens the approvement process.

I could sort of agree with this. Still, there's also what Talulah said; other boorus don't tag all these errors so specifically. If it really needs to be this way, then it should be useful for everyone, not only for approvers.

I don't see the benefit search-wise either (and I acknowledge your point about blacklisting.) Does anyone come on this site with the desire to look up bad teeth? or bad hair? or bad eye? Tagging is the most important activity on the site and it's good tagging that makes searching for stuff easier, but having bloat isn't helpful and right now I see this as that.

I just want some idea of what should be done before it becomes a potential issue.

The bulk update request #44 (forum #444) has been rejected by @愛慈.

I'm gonna go ahead and approve this anyway because I don't see the value in these tags and people have a weird obsession with tagging any minor mistake with a bad_x tag, which really impedes any utility they could have. It feels like some bias because it's AI art; you would never see people tagging like this on Danbooru.

The bulk update request #44 (forum #444) has been approved by @Talulah.

Sounds fine to me. I'll update the appropriate wikis.

I'd say there should be implication from the bad_* tags to error. They are listed in the wiki of error already, and there are already implications to it with bad reflection, wrong hand & wrong feet.